Peter Marsh was born in 1948 in
Brisbane and grew up in Brisbane. In 1970 he severely injured his spinal cord in a
football accident. He went on to compete in the Paralympics in the late 1970s
and early 1980s. This is his story:
On Queen’s Birthday weekend in 1970 Peter had his
accident. “It was a typical morning of a game, nothing outstanding, nothing
different, just got up and had some breakfast and got ready to go to the game,
just the ordinary preparation that I normally do. I probably got there at 11
o'clock because we play at 12.00.
“We played at Lang Park and against the team called
Valleys who were playing fairly well that year. We weren't playing well at
all. We were about second last or last in the competition and it was my first
year in what you call "senior football" in the C grade. So it was just a normal
game. I don't know what the score was, but we were probably getting beaten at
the time. We'd been playing 20 to 25 minutes. I remember looking up at the
clock at one stage and thinking - how long is this going to be going for. And
we had a scrum 20 metres out from our line, the ball come out behind the scrum
and the halfback gave the ball to me and I ran across field a bit and this, it's
a little bit of a blur, except I remember screaming and, obviously everything
stopped and I was having trouble getting my breath. I said to one of the guys -
can you straighten my legs out. He said - mate, they're already straight and I
thought - ah, I'm in a spot of bother here. An ambulance came and put me on a
stretcher. Went to the sideline and one guy told me later on that they were
squeezing, pinching my skin to see if I could feel anything and obviously I
couldn't. So it was then in to the ambulance off to Royal Brisbane Hospital
where they eventually did an operation on my neck, which was unusual in those
days. They did a bone graft for all of my vertebrae from C1 to C7 and even
wired it. I injured my neck quite a few years after that and I asked the
radiologist - is my neck all right. The radiologist said - mate, that's
probably one of the strongest parts of your body. They strengthened it by doing
all that. So that was a bit of a crazy day, that one.
“It was Brisbane Cup day and I had been a racing
enthusiast as long as I can remember. The night before we were at a friends for
a barbecue for my girlfriend, her boss had a horse running in the Brisbane Cup
so we were out there and everyone was hopeful about the horse's chances etc. and
so, if I had've had a choice I probably would have gone to the Brisbane Cup that
day instead of having to play football, but so when I got to the hospital, was
probably around 3 o'clock, I just wanted to know who won the Cup - and he ended
up coming third.
“I didn't really realise the extent for some time and
maybe that was denial. I would think it was just ignorance. I had no idea
really. I know it was pretty uncomfortable, not very enjoyable to lay on a
rotor bed, what they called it and we'd lay there for four hours and they’d come
and put, basically a mattress on top of you and then turn you right over so
you're on your belly for five or four hours, and looking at the ceiling for four
hours. I didn't know the implications of bladder/bowels, all those sort of
things until obviously you're going on and you're thinking - what's going on
here. How do I do this and how do I do that? It's a learning experience and
you had to learn the hard way, there was no easy way. People could tell you but
you'd think, you know.
“I had about a month in the Royal Brisbane and went over
to the Spinal Injuries Unit at the Princess Alexandra Hospital, which is still
there of course. But it was such a lot of difference between now and what it
was then. It was a dinghy old hole and I thought by about that time that well,
this is it, the beginning of the end probably. You had cockroaches up the wall,
paint off the walls, not a very pleasant place, run by a Professor who was about
86 years old. I can still remember everyone telling you to drink, you must
drink water, drink water, drink water, drink water. That's obviously to keep
your kidneys flushed, but there was only so much water you could drink. It was
difficult. My girlfriend came and saw me every night. My best mate came up
every night and saw me and that sort of thing. Mum and Dad of course and all
that, so I had a lot of family support. Reminded me that when I was up and
about there was a 16 year old girl from Mount Isa who actually didn't have any
parents, no one to support her, no one to help her and I thought, boy, how tough
was that. There were maybe 20 people there, cause you stayed in a lot longer in
those days than you would now. I had nine months at the Spinal Injuries Unit,
whereas now you'd probably have three or four.
“Through the sport I got to know people who'd been to
wheelchair games and things around the country and a couple of guys mentioned
the spinal unit in Perth was the leader in Australia by a country mile and my
bladder wasn't too bad and by that I mean, back in those days you put a,
virtually a condom type of thing on your penis with a hole in the bottom of it
which had a tube that led into a bag that you attached to your leg. The old
professor thought if you could pee, that was about a good enough - okay you can
go home now you can pee. So I had a residual of something like 200 ml or
something that would be left in your kidneys and bladder after you've had a pee
so, it was obvious that people got infections and stuff like that from that. So
I went to Perth with assistance from the football club. They paid for the trip
and stuff. Before I left, I wrote to them of course and asked if they could
help me and basically they said - sure come on over, if you can get here, we’ll
help you. So I got that residual down to about to about 5 mls after a minor
operation and it was marvellous and that meant, by doing that if I can empty my
bladder properly, I didn't need to use any aid or anything because if you know
your bladder's empty, it'll take at least two hours to fill up, so you only used
a urine bottle. You could pee any time you needed to basically and that was a
revelation for me, came back and I was very pleased. It was very helpful, they
were terrific.
“I went over to Perth for probably a month or two and got
on well with a lot of people there who said why don't you stay for a while and I
thought okay, sounds good. So I encouraged the girlfriend to come over and I
was there from September to March the next year, so that would have been
September '71 till March '72. That was good. I met my first wheelchair coach,
sports coach, yeh he died only a couple of years ago, lovely fellow, Frank
Ponter, marvellous athlete himself back in the old days of course, not any
more. He did everything, his first Games were in 1960 in Rome when the first
Paralympics were on.
“Under Frank I trained pretty hard before I left Perth and
I wrote to the Queensland organisation to tell them, I'm on my way home and
could I represent Queensland in the Nationals in March 1972, after I told them
what I'd been doing. I could represent Queensland there in Sydney on the way
back'd be great and the Queenslanders all went down in a convoy of cars to
Sydney and I flew over from Perth to Sydney and stayed at my sister's place and
bought a car there and so I was able to drive home with them basically. So I
competed in my first games there and it was an interesting experience.
Everything was different then, I mean, I pushed over 60 metres, I think it was
in those days. You know in just the basic ordinary chair that everyone else was
using. I used the wheelchair for track and it was not very fast. But I think I
did shot putt and discus and played table tennis as well, yeh.
“I thought - this is all right, this is good and I was
reasonably successful, against very moderate opposition. I don't mean that in a
bad way, I mean, there weren’t the numbers. There was only a couple of us that
would compete probably in some events so you could pick up a bronze medal by
doing not much. The sport was like that for a little while. So I still won
plenty of medals, some of them weren't perhaps as dignified as they could have
been. It set me up, realising what goes on in the games and went on to master
it.
“Paralympics is often confused with paraplegia, but it
means a parallel Olympics and so they want to be parallel to the Olympic Games
and that's basically what it is. So every time there's an Olympic Games, they
have Paralympics, if not in the same city then, in the same country. That's how
it got its name.
“My first Paralympics was in 1976 in Canada, in Toronto.
The able-bodied Olympics were in Montreal and ours were in Toronto about two
weeks later. It was a great experience. Canada was a lovely place, wonderful
people. I only realised when I did a little work on my own background that, I
got two bronze in Canada. One was a very ordinary event, not necessarily a blue
ribbon event. They put a target on the ground and you'd throw a club at it.
They called it a club and it was in the shape of a bowling pin, ten-pin bowls.
They had this event and you'd throw the club at a target, similar to javelin
where they had precision javelin, where they had a target on the ground and
you’d throw the javelins, but you know, in the middle, you got 10 points or
whatever it was. I actually was first twice at the Olympics but never got a
gold medal and that was one of the events. Three of us had the same score, and
one guy was awarded the gold from the count-back and the other two, myself and
the other guy were similar or something so we had a throw off and he beat me in
the throw off. So that was one bronze. The other was in the 60 metres. Again
they only had 60 metres. We were still considered "patients" in those days
rather than athletes and they thought that 60 metres was as far as we could go.
So I got a third in that.
“It was the first time I'd flown internationally, meeting
other people, and sharing stories, what some guys would do, to do this or that
or the other thing, picked up a lot of tips on things that you would do and
stuff. So it was good from that point of view, such as managing bladder or
bowels or anything like that, driving a car or eating, you’ll see someone pick
up something, or something or other and think - that's all right that, and so
you'd learn a lot of stuff from it.”
In 1980 the Olympics were held in Moscow, however the
Paralympics were held in Arnhem, Holland. Peter explains:
“The Russians publically stated they had no disabled
people and as such wouldn't have Paralympics, which is, a bit strange, so they
had to find somewhere else to have them and Arnhem put up their hand. It was a
tough games. We had two days when it didn't rain. Every other day it rained.
It was cold. I performed miserably. I can't remember much about them either.
One guy got there. He was one of our best basketballers and didn't realise that
he'd been sitting on the seatbelt on the plane over so he got a very bad
pressure area on his bottom, so that meant he had to have a lot of medical
assistance. We had coughs, colds, flus and everything. It was just an awful
games - for some people, others it was brilliant. My mentor from Brisbane, Mike
Nugent, who makes wheelchairs and stuff. Mike put up a fantastic performance to
win a 200 metres, world record, gold medal, fantastic. He really deserved it.
He'd been round the sport for a long time. So it was only me that was
miserable, not everyone.
“The Paralympics gradually grew. Rome would have only had
100 or 200, something like that. By my time they would have had a couple of
thousand, probably or a few thousand. Now of course they have tens of
thousands. But remember back in those days they only had wheelchair sports.
They didn't have amputees or the blind or anything else, so spinal injuries
basically only. We had some polios, but mostly only spinal injured. There's
probably a lot of spinal injured people who wouldn't compete now. It’s
difficult to compete against someone whose got a leg amputated because they have
full use of their trunk, back and core muscles etc. Balance is always a problem
for us. So that's the reason why we've got so many competitors now because
we've go so many more disabilities involved. It's not a good thing, it's not a
bad thing, it's just a thing.
“1983 was a good year, after 1980 Paralympics, where I
performed poorly. One reason was a lack of international competition, so I
talked to my coach and we decided if we're going on to 1984, we would go to what
was in those days the world championships in Stoke Mandeville in England in '81,
'82, '83, so that we'd be well prepared for '84. So part of that preparation
was we went over and did better every year basically and '83 I won Gold and
world records I think for the 100, 200, 400 and 800. We just had a good year.
“I played a little table tennis as well, but the track was
always what it was about. And again in those days then went up to 800 on the
track. That's as far as we were allowed to go. Now, of course quadriplegics do
the marathon and have done for quite some time. I was rewarded with some awards
and stuff.
“We were no longer treated as “patients”. They realised
that we had potential to do some good stuff. We did with some modification of
wheelchairs, as well. Chairs went a lot faster then than they were originally
and go a lot faster now than they did then. But, yeh, it was good. I'd like to
think that if I had one contribution to make to the sport, then with a lot of
other people we took the whole scope of sport from being outpatients, or
patients if you like to athletes over that time. It was good.
“Anne (my wife) was there in '81 and I saw her and sort of
chatted to her. I was always friendly with the Irish team. I suppose just
because they're Irish. And she was part of the staff. She was a helper coach.
So when I went back in '82, I went over to Ireland after the Games with her. My
Dad came with me then. '83, might have been when Dad went, I can't recall. I
went over with her again and she came back with me then. So, yeh, so it was
'81, '82,'83 that she came back and we got married in '84.
“The government of those days and the whole sports
movement were recognising the efforts of wheelchair sports people. I was
nominated obviously through Sporting Wheelies. The year before, a girl from
Queensland, Kerri Ann Connor, was named Junior Sportsperson of the Year - full
stop, and she was in a wheelchair. So that year I was a finalist in the
Performance of the Year and the Male Athlete of the Year. So they were
sponsored by the Australian Sports Commission and they were televised live
throughout Australia and, I didn't win. But that didn't matter. They
interviewed me before I went down there and I said, really, I'm a winner
already. Just the fact that you go down there and you're mixing with all of
these people.
“I was Sporting Wheelie of the Year. They have one every
year, an annual award thing for a long time and I was pleased to win it. I
believe it was in '83. And now I select the Sporting Wheelie of the Year
because I'm on the selection committee for awards. You must do your best,
basically. But you've got to put a bit in to it as well, you know off the
training field, I mean and put something back into the organisation as well.
“In '84 the Olympics were in Los Angeles where the
Paralympics were going to be and we only found out in January that the organiser
of our Games took the money and ran. It was very disappointing so we had to
come up with an alternative in a short space of time and because they went to
England every year they asked England to do it again and they agreed to do it.
So it was thrown together very quickly in England. I think it had a lot to do
with my performances over there 'cause I think for me it was just like going
back to England again, rather than going to Paralympics again and I struggled
psychologically, I struggled big time. I couldn't push my way out of a paper
bag over there. It was terrible. However, I did get a silver and bronze in the
relays. That's another one where we finished first and there was a protest,
third against second, so we had to re-run it. We ended up second.
“For our wedding, Anne's Dad came out. It was good seeing
him come out and have a look at Australia. It seemed to be all right except
that I picked a bad day to have the wedding day because a lot of my friends in
the government were racing enthusiasts, as I was and I picked a day when one of
the, probably the second biggest day in racing for my wedding - Cox Plate Day
It's a big day in racing and a number of them said - you're kidding aren't you,
you're not having it on Cox Plate Day. But there was a reason for that because
we went to Sydney and then to Melbourne for the Melbourne Cup. It was a great
day. Everything went well. One of those days that everything's good. We had a
great time.
“My Dad, Col, was great. I had a weightlifting bench over
at his place for a long time so I used to come over and do some weights over
there. And he'd always help of course. When Mum died, Dad had already been
involved to a certain degree with my sport and decided that he'd get more
involved. Not only with me but with all the other track athletes that used to
go to QE2. He got really involved, loved it all and they had a container over
there and he painted the container and they all thought it was wonderful that he
did all that. He was one of the first Life Members of the Sporting Wheelies and
he was just a great volunteer. Everyone loved him and he was a great help.
They began the Col Marsh Volunteer of the Year Award. After he died we went to
the organisation and we bought the trophy back then and had a couple of rules
that we thought were appropriate for those days to have an award as such and
yes, still going and I present it nearly every year. He would have been
thrilled to bits with that.
“At my last national games, in Adelaide I was defeated for
the first time in track events by my mate at that time Richard from Sydney.
He'd got himself into a three-wheeler track chair and I was still in a
four-wheeler. He really was out to get me, which good on him, he did and he
didn't compete in every event then but if he had've he would have beaten me in
every one of them, but Richard was a good friend over a long period of time.
Yeh he beat me fair and square so I knew by then it was time to get out.”
Peter was involved with the Sporting Wheelies and Disabled
Association for many years.
“Firstly always been a member but not always up until '89
I was an athlete. I've been a team manager on a few occasions, an organiser as
in those games, I was on the sports committee for a long time, probably 10 years
or so. I'm a volunteer now. Did a lot of other volunteering, coached juniors
in particular, selector. I was, along with my coach, delegate to the national
body for a number of years.
“We had about three or four meetings a year and we'd go to
Sydney or Melbourne, and sit around the table and argue different things and
you'd have to be prepared to go down there. You had to report when you came
back, that sort of thing. That was difficult to start with cause wheelchair
sports is basically run by NSW, Victoria and Western Australia, so Queensland
just didn't get much, but my former coach, she made herself fairly recognised in
the sport once she started to talk sense and they started to listen. Before her
was Eric Russell who, you could almost say was the Sporting Wheelies in a lot of
ways, did a lot to set the organisation up and as a separate identity from the
Spinal Injuries Association, as they're called now.
“Anne was very involved in most junior games that we had.
When she came out here she got involved in what they called "come try it days"
so junior athletes, kids, young kids would come and try swimming or try track or
try field events or try something and see if they liked it, and she told stories
a lot. So that was Anne's main thing, she was as I said involved in some
organisational things but juniors were her go. She went on a number of trips
within Australia and overseas as an assistant in the sport. They had, over that
period of say '83 to '92 or something they had a fantastic bunch of committee
people for junior sport. They all worked so well together, it was just a
marvellous group of people that all wanted the betterment of the kids in their
sport so it was just a wonderful group, so Anne was part of that.
“Back in the days when I became involved with the Spinal
Injuries Association, it was called the Paraplegic Association. I was on the
committee of the Para. Association for a little while and it was obvious that
the sport and the organisation needed to go their separate ways and so I was on
both at one stage so I did a bit of fundraising and chook raffle stuff and all
that for the Paraplegic Association.
“After I'd been to Perth in 1972 I came back and thought,
I think I've got something to offer people so I did a Social Welfare course at
what we call TAFE now and said I want to be a Welfare Officer for the
organisation who, at that stage only employed an able-bodied person and it would
have been an ordinary wage, cause that was fundraiser, organiser, so the
organising committee sort of said okay. I only worked initially for twenty
bucks a week which'd cover cost of fuel etc. so you could stay on a pension
which I was on back in those days and I remember, it was in '76. I was at some
Paralympic games, and we'd just got a grant, from the government to employ me.
We had offices at Spring Hill and to get to there you had to park on the
opposite side of the road and we were always getting parking tickets, I remember
and ignoring them. Another fellow and myself had to go to court with these
parking tickets and we had to pay them because they said, you have to pay them
because you parked too long. That was the start of getting out in front and
getting in the papers and that went through and that's when 1981 was The Year of
the Disabled, of course and that really kicked things off. We got a lot of
benefits out of that year such as a building code and all sorts.
“As a Welfare Officer it was difficult. I used to go up
and visit the Spinal Unit every Friday afternoon, introduce myself as a Welfare
Officer, and the organisation to them and give them any little leaflets and,
next week when I go up maybe they'd say gidday and maybe they'd have a chat or
something like that. So it was basically getting out and finding out what they
wanted and knowing there was a contact there that they could talk to, especially
being in a wheelchair. So they were good days. I think that went till '83,
yes, '83. I went over to England for the Games in '83.
“Later I applied to university for entry as a mature age
student, Arts I think it was, and got accepted and that's all I needed, because
I didn't have senior education. That was the comparison to a senior education
so that's how I got in the government in 1983.
“I always said one of the best things I did was build my
house. The only thing I did better than that was to live in it by myself. So I
was at the time competing at the highest level of sport, living by myself,
training and working full time and I thought that was probably when I was at my
best. However, in saying that, getting married and having a child was pretty
big as well. I thought, before I met Anne, by gees the years are getting away
and, you know, I haven't had a kid and I always wanted to be a Dad. So the
wheelchair really for me didn't come into it because I was living a life the
same as anyone else really. The fact that I was in a wheelchair was incidental.
“Best improvements would have to be access. If I had to
put it down to one word, it would be "access". And not just access to
buildings, but access to a whole range of things through the government, and
that sort of thing. Access to information, and the internet etc. helping set up
again wider than I ever expected to. Design of wheelchairs, cars, all those
things. I catch a bus every Saturday morning to go down to the club. I
wouldn't have thought catching a bus, I'd ever do that. And it's simple, it's
easy. Train travel's better, even better. Trains don't go round so many
corners, and they're really quiet. Train travel's terrific, been down the Coast
on the train a couple of times. Great way to get down there.”
Peter’s advice to those who have recently experienced a
spinal cord injury:
“I used to do that (give advice) a long time ago. If I did
have one piece of advice I would suggest to them that the injury you have is not
just affecting you. It affects those who love you, the people closest to you
are affected in a different way but not in a lesser way. And we tend to get
frustrated and angry and all that and take it out on those closest to us and to
be wary of that and try not to do it, if you can because that hurts them more
than you'll ever know.”
The future for those with spinal cord injuries:
“I think we pamper them too much. Bit strange, I suppose,
but, and it's the old man syndrome and I hate it, you know, "back in my day, we
had to", but we had to work hard for everything that we could achieve in those
days and I fear that a lot of people might start having an attitude, I need
this, I should have this and all that. I'm concerned I suppose if they could
only think of people in Africa or somewhere like that, if they break their back,
what would happen to them. So whilst it's not ideal and it's a horrible thing
to have to happen, you've got to be able to work through it a lot yourself.
Take a lot of responsibility yourself for what you're going to do and where
you’re going and that. Try not to let other people do it for you, do it
yourself, if you can,. They may be pampered a little bit too much I think,
maybe not.
“It's just not the worst thing that can happen to you.
It's horrible, but, I think, if you had the choice of a spinal injury or losing
a loved one, which one would you take. It's a pretty easy decision to make. I
think the death of a loved one is the hardest thing you have to endure.
“I believe the Sporting Wheelies nominated me to carry the
Olympic Torch for the 2000 Olympics. You had to have a nomination obviously and
that would have been screened somewhere. I was just notified one day in March
or April 2000 that I'd been chosen to carry the Olympic torch. I was a little
shocked. Didn't expect it and then of course the anticipation of wondering what
the hell, what do I do? So it was interesting.
“I was sent the uniform. Everyone wore the same uniform
and they told me that they had an implement, or a bracket or something that slid
underneath the seat on your wheelchair and the flame or the torch would slip in
to that bracket. There turned out to be many many people in wheelchairs and
people with disabilities other than that who carried the torch.
“On the day, we went to St Peter's College at
Indooroopilly, and not knowing what was ahead of us from there, so we just went
there. On the way I recall having a look side to side on the road and thought -
what's going on? People had got their folding chairs that they're getting out
and having a cup of coffee and things like that and I'm thinking - what's going
on? Anyway, we got to the College and there was a bus waiting for us. There
were a number of people that got on to the bus. I was the only one in a
wheelchair, so they made a lift to get me on the bus, different in these days of
course, this was 12 years ago. There were a number of sportspeople that were
there, high-profile sports people and I'm thinking - whoa, I'm amongst an
interesting lot here. “Everyone carried the torch for 400 metres and the bus
left St Peter's and every now and then would stop and one person would get off
and it kept going and going through to the University. It was only a few
kilometres away, so it wasn't far. I recall when I got to the Uni that they
said okay we'll get you off now and the ramp, the lift wouldn't work and they
were getting a little toey because the flame burns for 14 minutes, the little
gas cylinder in the torch has 14 minutes of gas in it, so if it was to go out,
then there are huge logistical problems. So they were getting a little toey,
and then we had many of my cousins and people that I knew that were there and
they all started calling, singing out "Peter, Peter", very embarrassing, but
funny.
“We eventually got off the bus with not too much time to
spare. The fellow who was going to light my torch was a fellow called Wayne
Bartholomew, whose nickname was "Rabbit" Bartholomew and he was a surfer,
Australian rep. who won, I think three or five world championships. So he
wouldn't have been too far when I got off the bus so there was a bit of
logistics to go through very quickly and I couldn't believe a couple of things.
Firstly, they were about four and five deep on the footpath of Sir Fred Schonell
Drive and I was just gob smacked. And then the security all around. I said to
the one of the guys - I'd like my son who was with me at the time to walk with
me if he could. No, no, he said, can't do that. I said - you're kidding. No,
no, no. And eventually he sort of walked over. I was in the middle of the road
and he was on the footpath or the gutter and followed me through. There's cars
and motorcycles you know, police motorcycles and all that escorting everyone
through and eventually, so Rabbit came up and lit my flame and I pushed the 400
metres and I must say I did some training before it because I didn't want to get
buggered if there were hills or anything so I did do a bit of training and it
was fine. It worked out all right, a little downward slope towards the end and
I lit the person's torch which was some company so it wasn't only sportspeople,
it was people who worked for something like Telstra or whoever the sponsors.
Afterwards it was party time.
“It just so happened that my wife's sister was living out
here in Brisbane and she ran the restaurant/cafeteria at the University so it
was a simple exercise for everyone in the family to go up to the restaurant and
we kind of took over the restaurant and there were so many photos. When I
finished the push, everyone’s coming up - photo, can we have photo? Photo
please. A lot of them were Asian students etc. They wanted a photo with me and
they wanted their own photo and they wanted it with the torch and when we got up
to the restaurant, we all had photos taken with the families, uncles, and
aunties. A few of them aren't here with us anymore. It's only 12 years ago but
it was a fantastic day, I must say. I was thrilled to be part of it, still got
the torch of course, and looking at the internet yesterday, just doing a little
bit of research on the torch, I see they're still for sale, one of them with the
outfit and the torch in a framed thing for $4,500.00 etc. The torch cost $300
to buy and of course you would have bought it. A lot of people had said - well,
they should have given them to you, but can you imagine how many torches that
would be. I was number 151 that day, and, so if we moved along Coronation Drive
to get to the City where they had a celebration of lighting the torch in the
city, so I don't know how many there were. I think Wally Lewis lit the flame in
the city that day, or was part of the lighting of the flame. Lovely day, lovely
day - it was just one of those days.
“So we've still got the torch of course and I sort of made
a resolution that day that the torch would never ever be lit again and so the
little canister, I think's been taken out, or probably still in there and I
learnt yesterday that the colours were representing fire, flood and sunshine or
something like that. So, in the shape of a, sorry for the word "bastardisation"
of a boomerang.
(Peter Marsh
was interviewed in August and November 2012).
Peter Marsh died November 2012.
